#ithica arc

[terry-the-anon]

oh shit there’s a storm 🎶

but fr tho its not good-

dont worry guys, i packed some holy moly to get us through this :D

@euclittle-guy @acuteautonomy @wellcome-to-chaos

[aussie-cipher]

[Suddenly, AUSSIE-CIPHER gets a text from an unknown number.]

Hi freend with silee acksent tthjs is piynely tecksteen from frends phone becuz he throw my phone away

(@euclittle-guy)

[ OZ messaged back very quickly ]

who and why?

[terry-the-anon]

Yeah.. I’ll stay here.

Hey kid! Guess what! I got permission to take you into Odysseus' palace without us being constantly supervised by those other two who were on the boat!

@terry-the-anon

YAY! ODYSSEUS PALACE! : D

Can we take pictures to show friend with triangle ears and makeover buddy?

[divinelycrazy]

Here's a fun little Odyssey fact for ya.

Assuming the Odyssey itself is supposed to take place around ancient Mycenean times, aka the ancient greece of ancient greece (as most myths kinda do), then the suiters have no reason to fight for Penelopes hand at all.

If we were to follow mycenean royal structure, a regent would be appointed to rule Ithica in Odysseus' place until either Odysseus returns, or Telemachus is old enough to become king should his father not survive the war/journey back home.

This means that the suitors would have no right to the throne whatsoever and are violating the succession norms, acting more like usurpers.

If we try to match the timeline, Telemachus would already be between 19 to 20 years old when the final arc of the Odyssey happens, which all things considered would be old enough to assume the throne, at least by ancient life span standards. And if not, a regent would still be the one in charge until he is.

Basically, fighting for Penelope's hand does not in any way bring the suitors closer to the Ithican throne. Not to mention that Penelope herself is a member of the Ithican royal family by marriage, not by blood. This means that, if I'm correct, Penelope would lose her title as queen consort the moment her husband is presumed dead.

So, long story short, the suitors are just terrible guests overstaying their welcome, Telemachus should have already been king by the time Odysseus got home, and Antonius, or whatever his name is, is just a giant Alpha Sigma whiny bitch of an asshole.

[frogwiththephatahh]

EPIC has a character arc dynamic I can't explain in a succinct way, but it's one of my favorites and I want more media to do it. It's like...every character is simultaneously absolutely at fault and completely innocent. like, okay.... Odysseus sacrificed his own crew BUT he wouldn't have had to do that if Eurylochus had listened to him and left the cows along BUT Eurylochus wouldn't have disobeyed him if Odysseus hadn't betrayed the crew BUT Odysseus wouldn't have betrayed the crew if Circe hadn't sent him on a crazy mission to the underworld where he realized he needed to be hashtag Ruthless BUT Circe wouldn't have sent them there if Hermes never given Odysseus the power to stop her leading to him gaining her trust BUT Hermes wouldn't have needed to do that if Odysseus had just listened to Eurylochus and ran away instead of helping their friends BUT they wouldn't have needed to abandon their friends if Eurylochus had done better at keeping them out of trouble BUT they wouldn't even be on Circe's island if Poseidon hadn't attacked them, BUT Poseidon wouldn't have attacked them if Odysseus had just killed Polyphemus BUT Polyphemus wouldn't be blind if he hadn't attacked the crew BUT he wouldn't have attacked the crew if they hadn't killed his sheep BUT the crew wouldn't even be in Polyphemus' cave if the lotus eaters hadn't sent him there BUT they wouldn't have gotten the idea to go there if Polites hadn't been so insistent on being kind and asking for help BUT can you really fault a man who just got out of a ten year war for not wanting to see anymore bloodshed? But the most interesting part about it is that I don't think there's an alternate path. In any other story, you can say "what if x just hadn't done y?" One simple mistake in any other story could turn the tide. But the thing about greek mythology is that there's a heavy belief in fate. No matter what you do, you will always end up in the same place that was written in the stars. The inbetween doesn't matter. Odysseus doesn't have some sort of lesson to learn. In fact, none of this would have happened if Polites hadn't put the idea into Ody's head that he needed to be merciful. Now, again, I am NOT blaming Polites. I could write a whole essay on how every important member of the crew seems to have a different coping mechanism for how they dealt with the horrors of war but we don't have time for that right now. The point is; this was not preventable. Odysseus' journey involves getting from Troy to Ithica. Everything else is just a pit stop as someone ELSE's journey concludes. Polites is fated to die on the journey home. Elpenor is fated to die while drunk. Eurylochus is fated to be betrayed by a close friend. I suppose that's why The Odyssey is a tragedy

[isfrankytime]

Gotta put a pause on the Fishman Island arc because I just remembered that Ithica dropped for EPIC!!! We have the full concept album now and I'm so excited to listen from the beginning.

Back to One Piece in two and a half hours!

[a-a-lost-munchkin]

I thought this was going to be criticism on the jet pack thing but am now a little confused. (I personally am not a fan of the jet pack thing).

I think you have valid criticisms, even though I don’t agree with all of them. I liked Calypso’s song but didn’t sympathize with her, even though it felt like we were supposed to. I really liked Dangerous as a set up to Odysseus’ voyage. I really liked Charybdis but wish it was longer and had more story in it.

I really liked Get in the Water and 600 Strikes, especially regarding its composition. The instrumentals are amazing, and so is the voice acting. It felt climatic and desperate. It felt like an epic battle with a god. Plus, Odysseus did try this one final plea, but it failed. Words weren’t going to work here, and there wasn’t a clever way besides the bag or divine intervention to get out. Poseidon wasn’t interested in what he had to say and wasn’t giving him the opportunity to speak. I don’t think that even in Homer’s Odyssey that Odysseus beat Poseidon with words. He got help from Athena and a group of people Poseidon protected, besting him that way with cleverness instead of words.

Also, I’m not sure what you mean by saying Odysseus begging for his life would show ruthlessness? Yes, it would be ruthless if Odysseus said outrightly “screw my crew, I did what I needed to do,” and begging for his life would be very human of him, but it’d be more pathetic than ruthless, and Poseidon would just kill him. I think it’s also very human of Odysseus to be pissed off and angry and to fight a god, even if its outlook isn’t good. Poseidon killed his men and friends. Poseidon has actively been keeping him from going home. Poseidon is his enemy. He’s tried his other tactics but nothing’s worked; the only method left is violence, even if he dies in the attempt.

I also don’t think this musical is about becoming strong enough to beat a god. It’s about a series of unfortunate events that turned somebody into a shell of themselves and transformed them. Homer’s Odysseus was ruthless, too, in his own ways, and a dick. He doesn’t return to Ithica desperate and whimpering. He returns and ruthlessly murders a bunch of people.

Also- there was no power of friendship. The ghosts were trying to get Odysseus to join them in death/were in his head. I think the singing we hear in 600 and what Odysseus was doing was enacting vengeance on their behalf, not them helping him, though I personally would’ve liked that better than the jet pack.

To your last point- what stopped Homer’s Poseidon? The internet doesn’t give a straight answer. I don’t think there was one. So, like, good point, but an unfair point as well. I think this Poseidon decided Odysseus wasn’t worth the trouble anymore or that his point had been made. Plus, he’s failed to kill him twice, and he has protection from other gods, which might play into it.

Again, I think not liking this saga is valid. I personally liked all the songs but wished it could’ve been longer. I also didn’t like the jet pack angle because it felt absurd to me and took me out of the story. Like, it makes sense for the creator due to his apparent love for anime and epic moments, but I thought it was ridiculous and have chosen to ignore it. I would’ve liked the ghost angle or, more so, divine intervention from Athena again, but I also get what Jorge was going for. This saga was meant to be a build up and a conclusion. A closure of an arc. A full circle. The result to Poseidon’s earlier actions that set off the rest of the story.

Overall, this is an adaptation retelling, and Jorge’s made that pretty clear, having said before that he’s taken extensive liberties and to not use it as a source for the original. I see it like the Mythos retellings we see in bookstores like The Song of Achilles and Circe or fairytale retellings. Heavily based on the original but meant to be different.

I totally understand being disappointed, though, if that wasn’t what you were looking for.

Okay, I lied, I'm not done with vengeance saga.

For some reason I'm still so angry and sad because of it, that I need to criticize it more or I won't be able to sleep.

I'm again so fucking disappointed, the whole saga felt like some kind of joke. I mean, the song I was worried the most about - "not sorry for loving you - turned out to be the most normal one. Like, yeah, Calypso is still very selfish and manipulative, Odysseus just want to be as far from her as possible and etc, I don't like that we are clearly expected to sympathise with her, but you know, in the context of this saga I'll go with it.

Dangerous felt a little overdone. I love Hermes, "wouldn't you like" was my favorite song for a long time, and maybe compared to it "Dangerous" is trying so much to go with the same vibe, but feels so deliberate about this.

I don't have much to say about "Charybdis" because there is nothing really to talk about, visuals were great, but everything felt so rushed, and also so meaningless, like they just needed to show at least one obstacle for Odysseus before Poseidon and nothing more.

And, yeah...

"Get in the water" and "600 strikes".

If you haven't guessed it yet, I'm very disappointed.

First of all, it is a lot weaker musically that I've expected. Okay, maybe there are good. Maybe I just am not able to hear this, because through these two songs I just stared at the screen with the confused and disappointed look, so I wasn't able to enjoy music or acting on its own.

Second, I was so interested in "get in the water", i liked the snippet we had so much before. It was so cool, emotional, and dark. I was so invested in finding out how Odysseus could escape this, what he might have said to change Poseidon's mind, maybe expected there to be some gesture towards the Odyssey, where Odysseus would tell Poseidon that he will go on this quest with the oar and so on. Also, i hoped to finally see "snake tongued" Odysseus in action because, like, that's what he is the most known about, for his mastery in words.

But this?

This was so bad. It also feels so fucking disrespectful to Poseidon, like, don't get me wrong, i like the change in power balance, I love when a character who wasn't able to do anything at some point now is beating the shit out of his former abuser and etc, BUT THIS IS NOT WORKING WITH THE GODS AND MORTALS IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY. AND THIS IS NOT WORKING WITH POSEIDON AND ODYSSEUS, THE STORY OF THE ODYSSEY IS NOT ABOUT HOW TO BECOME STRONG ENOUGH TO BEAT THE GOD. IT IS SO FAR OFF!

Like, yeah, the original is neither about "learning that you need to be ruthless to be able to return home if that's what you want so much", but there is difference in the level of what level of getting things wrong is normal and can be called "creative liberties" and what level is just bad. If you wanted so much for Odysseus to show how ruthless he became, well, we've already seen "different beast" to show us his cruelty, don't you think that maybe if they showed us how epic-Odysseus is able to put aside all the men Poseidon has killed and all of the pain he himself have gone through because of Poseidon and just talk with him, bargaining about his own life or something like this it would have also shown his ruthless side in a new way and be so much more believable? Even if he pulled out "there are other ways" move I think I would belive it more than that he is able to defeat Poseidon, the god of SEA, STORMS and EARTHQUAKES, PHISICALLY, in the SEA, with the STORM and fucking power of friendship (no, I will not stop calling it like this).

You know, I have a lot more to say about this, but I guess i'll stop with this. I guess I feel so bad about it because I really liked epic, yeah, I had problems with it, but I considered it nice adaptation even if it's kind of far from the source material, it felt very good and respectful to the original Odyssey, but now it became this. So yeah, I'm really disappointed.

And also, even if epic Odysseus was somehow able to defeat a god, what the fuck will stop epic Poseidon from returning after couple of months recovery and just wipe whole Ithaca off the face of the earth after such offense and shame? Like literally what? Or little epic Poseidon is now so afraid of big bad epic Odysseus that wouldn't bare even think about his name again?

[loveablehands]

teen titans villains ranked (of the over 150 issues of teen titans content i have perused

#1 slade he rocks as a villain. he’s charismatic and cool and funny and corny and also he can be genuinely NICE sometimes even tho he’s evil as fuck so he’s like complicated and shit. love that

#2 doctor light he is so fucking funny i love him

#3 the robot dinosaurs

#4 the ghost girl

#5 trigon. massively overrated

#6 the rest of the fearsome five

#7 cheshire

#8 random drug dealers

#9 the guy who turned his wife into a bug woman but was definitely still fucking her. (its okay she can talk and consent and she believes in his environmentalist dreams which makes them #couples #goals) kole’s dad

#10 that one guy who was abusing sarah simms. that was a cool arc and he was an interesting villain and we got a lot of interesting scenes with him

#11 terra who was massively overhyped by every single cartoon her arc kinda sucked tbh

#12 komand’r this isn’t even her fault her writing is just really bad

#13 brother blood i hate him whyyyyyyyy god he’s soooo boring......

#14 mother blood i hate her even more

#15 steve dayton fuck this guy for real go to therapy bitch

#16 ithica

#17 hyperion he’s shit worst villain

don’t ask me where the rest of hive goes. theyre fine i guess

honorable mention to that guy who says ‘computer fetish’ all the time like that is actually something that is real or makes sense

honorable mention to big daddy ding dong or whatever from the og teen titans who ended up getting put in teen titans year one just bc i thought that was a cool throwback (so was the antman that was cool as well)

[terry-the-anon]

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(@euclittle-guy)

Oh- Shit- Ummm... Yeah, on second thought, maybe kids aren’t meant to have that. If you drink some salt water for a bit, it should remove the effects faster.

[terry-the-anon]

WE MADE IT! FINALLY! ITHICA AT LAST!

@euclittle-guy @wellcome-to-chaos @acuteautonomy

[peanut-butter-fox]

yep!! I still haven't emotionally recovered from the Ithica saga!! /silly

I cannot remember when I started reading the silly dragon series it's been so long- I wanna say sometime around when the second arc had one or two books out

...anyways now that I've outed several of my non-robot interests

I SHALL EAGERLY AWAIT THE OTHER POSSIBLE DESIGNS

(NO PRESSURE OR RUSH THO 👍)

any Epic the musical enjoyers in chat?

the brain needs fanart but no force on this earth can make me draw humans so I'm dragonifying everyone

This also means Wings Of Fire tribes ofc, and because I'm a yapper, I'll just talk about the design for a bit.

Odysseus is a sandwing because of course he is, their dark eyes make for great menacing charachters and their colours are just nice to look at! He also looks a lot like a rattlesnake, but I tried to sprinkle in a bit of that antique greek vase look.

Both sandwings and rattlesnakes are kind of 'known' for cunning and trickery, possibly even a bit of arrogance. I'd say both fit him quite decently

Dunno if this counts as an AU or not but you can ask me more if interested! ^-^

[terry-the-anon]

THE FUCK?? I WAS ASLEEP AND SOMEONE LET @acuteautonomy ONTO MY FUCKING BOAT?!???

ooc: receiving art is always great

zeus handing @euclittle-guy to me (like a switch remote) by @miiraclepaint

then the ithica arc main duo vibing together by @ivxliwh

thank you my friends

[wellcome-to-chaos]

Of course there's a storm ....

*zey twitch some looking at the scene before them*

oh shit there’s a storm 🎶

but fr tho its not good-

dont worry guys, i packed some holy moly to get us through this :D

@euclittle-guy @acuteautonomy @wellcome-to-chaos

[wellcome-to-chaos]

Woo, finally off the boat

*zey carry @euclittle-guy so zey can ensure his safety*

WE MADE IT! FINALLY! ITHICA AT LAST!

@euclittle-guy @wellcome-to-chaos @acuteautonomy

[terry-the-anon]

No! I wouldn’t drag all you guys all this way just to give you poison! I’ve killed people before and, lemme tell you, poison is the coward’s way!

oh shit there’s a storm 🎶

but fr tho its not good-

dont worry guys, i packed some holy moly to get us through this :D

@euclittle-guy @acuteautonomy @wellcome-to-chaos

[terry-the-anon]

Yup!

WE MADE IT! FINALLY! ITHICA AT LAST!

@euclittle-guy @wellcome-to-chaos @acuteautonomy